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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 9:15:17 GMT -5
TO: LW Tyler Benson TWF 89 - $3.500M UFA 2025 (25) [*EDM pays $1.750M - Cap Hit: $1.750M] C Christian Dvorak TWF 85 - $5.500M UFA 2027 (28) TO: LW Max Pacioretty SNP 87 - $5.750M UFA 2027 (35) C Ethan Bowen PWF 85 - $2.000M RFA 2026 (22) C Anton Lundell PLY 79 - $0.900M UFA 2026 (22) Vegas isn't super excited about moving Bowen, but has to be done in order to obtain Benson. NYR gets a band-aid SNP replacement for Farabee after moving him to Philly, plus 2 prospects with a season left of prospect upgrades to compensate for overall & Patch's age. & Accept.
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Post by St. Louis Blues GM on May 7, 2019 9:22:27 GMT -5
Don't like it tbh
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 9:29:14 GMT -5
Yeah same here. Pacs and Dvorak are a wash so it's Bowen and Lundell for Benson. I don't think it's enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 9:55:52 GMT -5
Yeah same here. Pacs and Dvorak are a wash so it's Bowen and Lundell for Benson. I don't think it's enough. Man you always look at things weird Joubie. Patch & Lundell for Benson Bowen for Dvorak Plus Dvorak is in for the cap movement for Patch as Dvorak. I don't see how it's not enough other than maybe Vegas upping their 2nd as a toss in, otherwise Rangers are still get the better end of this deal on the back end.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 10:14:49 GMT -5
Really? Even after the junk you've had pushed through between Arizona & Montreal? lol
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 10:25:33 GMT -5
Yeah same here. Pacs and Dvorak are a wash so it's Bowen and Lundell for Benson. I don't think it's enough. Man you always look at things weird Joubie. Patch & Lundell for Benson Bowen for Dvorak Plus Dvorak is in for the cap movement for Patch as Dvorak. I don't see how it's not enough other than maybe Vegas upping their 2nd as a toss in, otherwise Rangers are still get the better end of this deal on the back end. Patch is 35, his value is nowhere close to what Benson's is. Lundell would be an add-on in a trade between an 87 and an 89 that are the same age, not a decade apart.
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Post by St. Louis Blues GM on May 7, 2019 10:27:34 GMT -5
Man you always look at things weird Joubie. Patch & Lundell for Benson Bowen for Dvorak Plus Dvorak is in for the cap movement for Patch as Dvorak. I don't see how it's not enough other than maybe Vegas upping their 2nd as a toss in, otherwise Rangers are still get the better end of this deal on the back end. Patch is 35, his value is nowhere close to what Benson's is. Lundell would be an add-on in a trade between an 87 and an 89 that are the same age, not a decade apart. He's not an idiot
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on May 8, 2019 21:19:38 GMT -5
rejected/final
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 8:57:42 GMT -5
Patch is 35, his value is nowhere close to what Benson's is. Lundell would be an add-on in a trade between an 87 and an 89 that are the same age, not a decade apart. He's not an idiot I didn't say he was an idiot... I said he has a weird way of judging trades. You guys simply ignored the fact that Bowen is still under the upgrade ceiling & that Vegas was taking back a 28 yr old in the deal as well. I was willing to rework it; I even said so... Neither of you offered any suggestions to make it better, especially when it's not that far off, if it is even at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 11:12:32 GMT -5
It’s very far off.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 13:11:47 GMT -5
It's not actually... You're just too hung up on the fact that Patch is 35, even though he's an 87 overall. Overall has value too, not just age. Folks use the crafty little buzz word of "negative value" to justify rejecting trades involving older players, when the reality is there's no such thing. Players 28 to 29+ are simply worth what they're worth at the time, not projecting that they'll be downgraded or anything else ahead of where they're at, since on or heading towards the end of their careers. That's really the only way to judge older players like Patch and the like.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 15:11:56 GMT -5
Tell you what, in the off-season, if Patches doesn’t get downgraded then I’ll change my vote to an accept.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 18:21:57 GMT -5
Tell you what, in the off-season, if Patches doesn’t get downgraded then I’ll change my vote to an accept. It shouldn't matter whether he gets downgraded or not. That's my point. He's an 87 now.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 18:24:04 GMT -5
Tell you what, in the off-season, if Patches doesn’t get downgraded then I’ll change my vote to an accept. It shouldn't matter whether he gets downgraded or not in the off season... That's my point. He's an 87 now. That's all that's guaranteed... Benson could easily get downgraded too, so you really have no basis to reject other than Patch being 35.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 19:41:02 GMT -5
Tell you what, in the off-season, if Patches doesn’t get downgraded then I’ll change my vote to an accept. It shouldn't matter whether he gets downgraded or not in the off season... That's my point. He's an 87 now. That's all that's guaranteed... Benson could easily get downgraded too, so you really have no basis to reject other than Patch being 35. Which is a pretty big basis...
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