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Feb 23, 2020 12:56:15 GMT -5
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Feb 23, 2020 12:56:15 GMT -5
So are we all forgetting that Lambert is an 18 year old, 82 overall player?
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Post by canes435 on Feb 23, 2020 12:58:42 GMT -5
Tampa to me you have way to many deals that are walking the line. Get more for what you have. I reject
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Feb 23, 2020 13:05:15 GMT -5
Post by Old Greg on Feb 23, 2020 13:05:15 GMT -5
So are we all forgetting that Lambert is an 18 year old, 82 overall player? And? Are we forgetting Vantanen is an 86 31 year old? Joki is an 88 23 year old? Boldy is a 83 21 year old? All the picks you’re receiving should be going the other way to make this deal fair. |
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Feb 23, 2020 13:07:31 GMT -5
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Feb 23, 2020 13:07:31 GMT -5
So are we all forgetting that Lambert is an 18 year old, 82 overall player? And? Are we forgetting Vantanen is an 86 31 year old? Joki is an 88 23 year old? Boldy is a 83 21 year old? All the picks you’re receiving should be going the other way to make this deal fair. Lambert will be the best player in the trade by far. He still has two years of for sure upgrades while Joki can start being downgraded after this season. Not to mention, Boldy has to perform to be worth anything. You pay for what you’re getting and Lambert is an A class prospect so my ask will be high for him. |
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Feb 23, 2020 13:09:11 GMT -5
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Feb 23, 2020 13:09:11 GMT -5
It gets really damn annoying when people decide to change their evaluation of how much a player is worth every season. Last year I paid a king’s ransom for Roy and a terrible Kopitar contract but this is way too much for Lambert. It’s honestly a joke.
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Feb 23, 2020 13:10:52 GMT -5
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Feb 23, 2020 13:10:52 GMT -5
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Feb 23, 2020 13:32:08 GMT -5
Post by Old Greg on Feb 23, 2020 13:32:08 GMT -5
Not really there’s just a few gms here that just accept every trade aka snags. You just got lucky who was on at that time. Which I don’t mind actually since everyone here are veterans but the way this league is set up trades go to idk a jury and on paper to me this is trash for cook. And usually when someone gets super pissed off about it they know it’s trash. Right now cook is one point out of being in last place and on paper this makes his team worse than he already is. So I have no idea why cook would be doing something like this. That’s why I stand by my reject. |
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Feb 23, 2020 13:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Feb 23, 2020 13:35:37 GMT -5
Usually somebody gets pissed when they know it’s trash? No, I get pissed cause Cook and I usually go back and forth for a couple of days until we come to a result that we’re both fine with and then the league goes back to being inconsistent and all that time we spent trying to make a deal we’re both happy with is wasted.
I really think we need to re-evaluate the need for mods cause these inconsistencies destroy the want to make trades.
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Feb 23, 2020 14:06:57 GMT -5
Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Feb 23, 2020 14:06:57 GMT -5
Joub literally asked me the other day what Lambert is on pace for as far as upgrades - my answer after looking at his pace is no more than +3, with the already included +2 for being in the NHL as a 18-19 year old. That means he is performing as an 83 at best without auto 18/19 age upgrade, meaning his value is not a "3rd overall picks" value but rather a late top 10 ..so unfortunately your argument is correct from your perception of things Cook, especially when looking Lamberts player info, however its not the perception of reality cause I know you didn't ask me about Lamberts upgrade and Joub is clearly selling Lambert at highest value knowing won't be nearly as elite as he anticipated. Good on ya guys if you communicated Lamberts lesser value between yourself during negotiations but reading this all over quickly it seems Cook may have less information for Lambert than Joub.
I have Rejected/Final all of Cooks last major trades and I am not going to get involved in this with a Accept or Reject. I am simply supplying the information I have that pertains to Lamberts value.
The league can decide this one.
Count is 2-2 if I can count properly
Next ACCEPT or REJECT will FINAL this.
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Post by Old Greg on Feb 23, 2020 14:09:16 GMT -5
Usually somebody gets pissed when they know it’s trash? No, I get pissed cause Cook and I usually go back and forth for a couple of days until we come to a result that we’re both fine with and then the league goes back to being inconsistent and all that time we spent trying to make a deal we’re both happy with is wasted. I really think we need to re-evaluate the need for mods cause these inconsistencies destroy the want to make trades. Yes anytime one of your trades gets rejected you have an outburst like this lol. Just let things play out before losing your shit lol. Like I said I just think cook is getting caught with his pants down here |
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Feb 23, 2020 14:14:09 GMT -5
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Feb 23, 2020 14:14:09 GMT -5
Joub literally asked me the other day what Lambert is on pace for as far as upgrades - my answer after looking at his pace is no more than +3, with the already included +2 for being in the NHL as a 18-19 year old. That means he is performing as an 83 at best without auto 18/19 age upgrade, meaning his value is not a "3rd overall picks" value but rather a late top 10 ..so unfortunately your argument is correct from your perception of things Cook, especially when looking Lamberts player info, however its not the perception of reality cause I know you didn't ask me about Lamberts upgrade and Joub is clearly selling Lambert at highest value knowing won't be nearly as elite as he anticipated. Good on ya guys if you communicated Lamberts lesser value between yourself during negotiations but reading this all over quickly it seems Cook may have less information for Lambert than Joub. I have Rejected/Final all of Cooks last major trades and I am not going to get involved in this with a Accept or Reject. I am simply supplying the information I have that pertains to Lamberts value. The league can decide this one. Count is 2-2 if I can count properly Next ACCEPT or REJECT will FINAL this. Isn’t the whole purpose of trading to move assets when they are at their peak? Why do you think I tried moving Seguin last season or Dahlin a couple of seasons ago? Trying to make me look like I’m doing some shady shit isn’t fair to me either. Both Cook and I see the value of what we’re moving and receiving. I asked for Lambert’s info cause if he was getting a max upgrade there was no way in hell I was doing this but if he’s getting a +3 then it made more sense cause I need players now while Cook can wait a couple of seasons. |
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Feb 23, 2020 14:16:51 GMT -5
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Feb 23, 2020 14:16:51 GMT -5
Usually somebody gets pissed when they know it’s trash? No, I get pissed cause Cook and I usually go back and forth for a couple of days until we come to a result that we’re both fine with and then the league goes back to being inconsistent and all that time we spent trying to make a deal we’re both happy with is wasted. I really think we need to re-evaluate the need for mods cause these inconsistencies destroy the want to make trades. Yes anytime one of your trades gets rejected you have an outburst like this lol. Just let things play out before losing your shit lol. Like I said I just think cook is getting caught with his pants down here Yeah and people saying it’s because I think I’m getting away with murder is the dumbest thing ever. Look at my Kane trade that had so many issues and now Kane isn’t even a PPG player. Y’all talk all you want and then I get stuck adding more shit and then the player doesn’t even perform and now I’m getting screwed in the deal. |
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Feb 23, 2020 14:23:14 GMT -5
Post by jmcook on Feb 23, 2020 14:23:14 GMT -5
Joub literally asked me the other day what Lambert is on pace for as far as upgrades - my answer after looking at his pace is no more than +3, with the already included +2 for being in the NHL as a 18-19 year old. That means he is performing as an 83 at best without auto 18/19 age upgrade, meaning his value is not a "3rd overall picks" value but rather a late top 10 ..so unfortunately your argument is correct from your perception of things Cook, especially when looking Lamberts player info, however its not the perception of reality cause I know you didn't ask me about Lamberts upgrade and Joub is clearly selling Lambert at highest value knowing won't be nearly as elite as he anticipated. Good on ya guys if you communicated Lamberts lesser value between yourself during negotiations but reading this all over quickly it seems Cook may have less information for Lambert than Joub. I have Rejected/Final all of Cooks last major trades and I am not going to get involved in this with a Accept or Reject. I am simply supplying the information I have that pertains to Lamberts value. The league can decide this one. Count is 2-2 if I can count properly Next ACCEPT or REJECT will FINAL this. No we are already at 3 rejects and 2 accepts |
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Feb 23, 2020 14:26:25 GMT -5
Post by jmcook on Feb 23, 2020 14:26:25 GMT -5
canes,bighead and kruze all three rejected
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Feb 23, 2020 14:33:43 GMT -5
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Feb 23, 2020 14:33:43 GMT -5
Kind of shitty when you have 2 admins accept this, 2 rejects and then somebody who rejects the majority of trades he sees.
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