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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Jun 29, 2020 16:42:01 GMT -5
The league will be self governed, with money involved, I don't see anyone taking or giving bullshit for too long without being replaced I guess that is closer to my question - if I am paying to be a part of this community, will the standards of moderation rise? I have never felt welcome here, so what will change if I give you money to be here? If so, how? Will problems I report to you be dealt with properly? Will you be relying on your volunteer staff to be moderating forums? Yeah ok, I see what you mean, yet thats the real world too so it will be up to a GMs skill to get out of the drain or maintain a dynasty. We already see dramatic fluctuation in the standings every season. The only other payout would be a smaller percentage out to the AHL winner. *BTW there would be a TEAM SELECTION DRAFT come REBOOT In the real world, GMs are paid, they are not paying to play. And they are not paid equally. Not to mention ownership is not equal either - to buy the Leafs is far more expensive than buying the Panthers. All besides the point, really, but there WILL be people unwilling to pay the same price for Detroit as was charged for Tampa Bay. Also, no amount of GM skill can force Edmonton to trade McDavid to Detroit. Nor does GM skill play a role in anything related to PR stuff. So, for example, when a PR decides a player is leaving, or wants to go to their home team. But question related to that. How are you, as PR AND guy who makes money off members being here, planning to deal with the conflict of interest that will arise when someone says "If this guy doesn't re-sign with me, I am quitting"? IF the league is not full, aren't you in a position where your wallet (and the league's payout) is in a better situation if you cave to those ultimatums? The only other payout would be a smaller percentage out to the AHL winner. *BTW there would be a TEAM SELECTION DRAFT come REBOOT Nice. And nice. Yeah for sure, yet theres is implicit consent agreed upon by all streamers/platforms/developers that maintains a fine line between infringement and fair use. Technically, every streamer that has ever streamed a video game online on ANY platform is infringement of developer user agreements, however due to this implicit consent, almost all content created by streamers is deemed fair use (minus music). Basically, streamers generate a fuckton of money and followers for video games, so while they may make a couple bucks on the side, the overall outcome is the developers winning. Kinda like passing a cop on the road going 90 in an 80 and he doesnt stop you...think of us as going 81 in an 80 Fair use has to do with copyright. Not User Agreements. When you watch a stream, the service being provided is the act of streaming. Your presence and personality (this is why I tihnk you could loophole the thing with Twitch). But what you described here, If people are paying you for a SIM (on an EA game), and making money off of the service, it is not fair use. It is not even a gray area. You are using NHL 20 commercially. (Edit: You actually said exactly this above) Other questions: 1) Why are you talking about taking a team yourself if you are PR and also sure the league will be full? 2) Can people pay half and join in for half-seasons? 3) Are you concerned people will just lock up the best players and never trade them? Since having a default Boston/Tampa will get you far without any trades? 4) Have you considered a fantasy draft to make things fair? If you decided against it, why did you decide against it? 5) Will you be solely responsible for changing, lowering, increasing overalls? I have seen controversy about overall changes in the past, so will criteria be clearly posted for that if people are paying for this service? 6) The way this is set up, what separates it from gambling? Like, ProLine for example. That's gambling, and has strict laws. If you are not going the Twitch route, how are you circumventing that? All users agree to Proboards standards. Theres also access to Proboards in which you can directly report any harassment to the forum and they will handle it without prejudice. Get it can be frustrating, you know it as ADMIN of your site, yet there are plenty of options that allows both Proboard/YouTube to monitor they way they do. The cost will be the same for everyone. If people quit, they quit. We are all adults here. This league will have more demand. This has been in the works for a while, we are good. 1 - love to just be admin and PR so we will see, yet already established if I win as GM then league gets money back 2 - n/a 3 - There is a salary cap for a reason 4 - no 5 - yes and it will all be broadcasted so GMs/viewers see everything I do - criteria has always been posted for OAs 6 - subscribing
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Jun 29, 2020 16:43:03 GMT -5
You'd almost need to separate teams into 3 tiers. "The elite" - Tbay, for example. "The good" - Florida, for example "The bad" - Detroit, for example And a premium for those who take Tbay versus Detroit. You pay less for a crappier team. But then that gets kind of controversial as well. Nah it will all be the same
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Post by Old Greg on Jun 29, 2020 16:45:37 GMT -5
You’re asking a lot of questions that have already been answered so look around. Welcome to the world of real business and therefore, by extension, real-life customer service - answering the same questions OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. Lol true enough
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Jun 29, 2020 16:50:58 GMT -5
It seems very interesting on paper but without having a test season I struggle to identify the pros and cons and understanding if it is something I really want to dive into. theres 19 seasons worth of content to understand. All you are adding is tbd sub and youtube access to everything I see as simmer/editor Easy fix for teams like Detroit and whatever other teams you think are unfair is oilers takes one and I don’t really care I can take one too I don’t think it’s about who takes them. If he is looking at growing this into hundreds of people participating then that means multiple leagues. How do you appropriately disperse multiples of the worst team in the league to people that are interested in paying to be part of it. That’s what I want to know. If I join a league that only has the bad teams left then what? Multiple leagues means multiple simmers. Don't think for second I could run multiple league for profit. Would take other guys stepping up and getting paid to sim. Thats not on the immediate radar though. Another thing I would like to know is if you were going to trade freeze each league before they are full? I know it can be complicated and frustrating when you join the league a day or two after it opens and already multiple trades have gone through. Would I be potentially joining and getting one of the worst teams and also be behind the eight ball for trades? Great question, yes all transactions would be frozen until the league is full of members and everyone has subscribed. Then there would be a TEAM SELECTION draft in which GMs would select their team in whatever order the simulator chooses (draft lotteries will be broadcasted live as well to avoid controversy) Once all teams are drafted, then the league is open and alive for transactions until it becomes Rebooted when it reaches Season 10 *WANT TO BE CLEAR - YOU ARE SUBSCRIBING TO BE A GM, THE TEAM YOU CHOOSE IS BASED ON THE LOTTERY SELECTION ORDER*the only teams that would be open afterwards would be GMs who drop out and there would either be a first come first serve basis still in play, or GMs could switch teams via lottery
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Jun 29, 2020 17:04:39 GMT -5
It isn’t. He wants to run multiple leagues. He said he’s hoping to grow this substantially to up to 4000 people. I know that’s high hopes but that is a target he obviously wants to hit. Are you and a few friends now going to join every single one of those leagues and pay for each of those leagues and take intentionally the worst teams? Also is there tiered pricing? Has an actual number been made public yet to participate? If its a business are there receipts for e-transfer purchases? Will you accept paypal as kruze pointed out that some online banking has costs still? Also not sure if I missed this in the thread but what will still be here to see and what will be on the new site? He’s going a test run on this league to see what works best for him and everyone else. You’re asking a lot of questions that have already been answered so look around. If you’re interested grab a team and see how it works Yeah 4000 people that watch on YouTube to see the community grow - if it gets to a point of high demand, then we find another simmer or two and open sister leagues where they are paid to sim. Like before though thats not on my mind as of right now, have to get this train on the tracks first. I would like to have same price per one season model for now (exceptions if you are creating us monetary value) No it is being discussed publicly and so far its unclear - it will be fair and is still being determined so all suggestions are welcomed Could send receipts to anyone who needs/wants them Rather not have paypal since I tried that route before There will be a HUB that connects all things HLS (Twitter,Instagram,Youtube,Probaords,podcasts,articles) that will have full viewership monetization. Probaords will remain for community transactions with a hard reset for reboot
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Jun 29, 2020 17:05:06 GMT -5
You’re asking a lot of questions that have already been answered so look around. Welcome to the world of real business and therefore, by extension, real-life customer service - answering the same questions OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. No harm, no foul. All great questions!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 17:12:31 GMT -5
Thanks for replying really appreciate you taking the time to consider my concerns
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Post by Old Greg on Jun 29, 2020 17:16:07 GMT -5
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Jun 29, 2020 17:18:42 GMT -5
jokes I just Pm'd you asking for your suggestions lol still to be determined based on what league deems fair. would like to get more ideas on what guys are thinking before announcing a set membership
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Jun 29, 2020 17:20:45 GMT -5
Thanks for replying really appreciate you taking the time to consider my concerns There is going to be lots of them, and thats alright. Its about finding what works best for everyone so we are doing whats right and people are still having fun. Would love to see you back here but get it if this is not the direction you want to be apart of.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 17:50:45 GMT -5
I'm really confused here, so please bear with me. And I promise I'm not trying to be a dick with any of this (it's why I tried to have the conversation privately with you before). I just want to understand.
If you CAN fill the league with paying members as you anticipate, why isn't this site full when its free?
You have people lining up to pay you here already, so they could still do that. Nothing is stopping them. I am confused about how putting the site behind a paywall will bring in more people. Particularly when a few members already said here they would not join the pay-site.
If the issue is strictly advertising, can't you use the donor money to build a full league, then, if those people would be willing to pay...they just could pay?
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Jun 29, 2020 18:08:28 GMT -5
I'm really confused here, so please bear with me. And I promise I'm not trying to be a dick with any of this (it's why I tried to have the conversation privately with you before). I just want to understand. If you CAN fill the league with paying members as you anticipate, why isn't this site full when its free? You have people lining up to pay you here already, so they could still do that. Nothing is stopping them. I am confused about how putting the site behind a paywall will bring in more people. Particularly when a few members already said here they would not join the pay-site. If the issue is strictly advertising, can't you use the donor money to build a full league, then, if those people would be willing to pay...they just could pay? Give it a couple weeks when everything is online while Season 8 concludes.
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Post by Old Greg on Jun 29, 2020 18:09:07 GMT -5
I'm really confused here, so please bear with me. And I promise I'm not trying to be a dick with any of this (it's why I tried to have the conversation privately with you before). I just want to understand. If you CAN fill the league with paying members as you anticipate, why isn't this site full when its free? You have people lining up to pay you here already, so they could still do that. Nothing is stopping them. I am confused about how putting the site behind a paywall will bring in more people. Particularly when a few members already said here they would not join the pay-site. If the issue is strictly advertising, can't you use the donor money to build a full league, then, if those people would be willing to pay...they just could pay? Read the first page of this discussion he explains why he thinks he can get the league full.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 18:19:23 GMT -5
I'm really confused here, so please bear with me. And I promise I'm not trying to be a dick with any of this (it's why I tried to have the conversation privately with you before). I just want to understand. If you CAN fill the league with paying members as you anticipate, why isn't this site full when its free? You have people lining up to pay you here already, so they could still do that. Nothing is stopping them. I am confused about how putting the site behind a paywall will bring in more people. Particularly when a few members already said here they would not join the pay-site. If the issue is strictly advertising, can't you use the donor money to build a full league, then, if those people would be willing to pay...they just could pay? Read the first page of this discussion he explains why he thinks he can get the league full. I did and that is why I am confused. There is nothing there that can't be done with the current system. Advertising. Friends + word of mouth. Social media, etc. If the people willing to give money donate instead of subscribe, all of that still happens. Except that the people who don't want to pay can still participate. Even if you just made it so only paying people were eligible for the money. Then you aren't going all-in on the pay model where if it falls short of your expectations the site as you know it dies for nothing.
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Jun 29, 2020 18:38:55 GMT -5
Read the first page of this discussion he explains why he thinks he can get the league full. I did and that is why I am confused. There is nothing there that can't be done with the current system. Advertising. Friends + word of mouth. Social media, etc. If the people willing to give money donate instead of subscribe, all of that still happens. Except that the people who don't want to pay can still participate. Even if you just made it so only paying people were eligible for the money. Then you aren't going all-in on the pay model where if it falls short of your expectations the site as you know it dies for nothing. Alright, we will never know what works until we try, and what doesn't work for this site is free membership and a donation basis. We have had 19 seasons here and I have collected 54$ in donations from the kind hearts of Cook and Snaggs. That breaks down to roughly $0.07 per day, and 3/10ths of a cent per hour spent. While I get what you are saying, theres just zero incentive for me to spend more time and my own money on advertising just to have an honourable donation basis. If we get big enough to the point monetization covers all expenses, then there would be spots held for the original members of this site, yet everyone else would have to bid for last spots if the demand is truly that high. I like that you think so far ahead in relation to profit, however we need to walk here first before running. Right now all I want to establish is the cost that everyone is willing to subscribe to per season so that we can then advertise accordingly to get this thing full.
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