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Post by viperousperky on Feb 6, 2020 15:08:32 GMT -5
To MIN:
C Kevin Hayes TWF 87 - 5.5M UFA 2024 (30)
LD Nathan Beaulieu TWD 82 -2.0M UFA 2023 (29)
G Mackenzie Blackwood HYB 84 - 5.0M UFA 2025 (25)
To NJ:
C Ryan Johansen PLY 87 - 8.0M UFA 2025 (30)
LD Brendan Guhle TWD 83 - 1.75M UFA 2023 (25)
LD Kaiden Guhle TWD 80 - 2.5M RFA 2023 (20)
Both teams Accept. MIN has upgrade points left that they can use to turn Blackwood into a legitimate starter. He needs a change in scenery after a bad year in NJ. NJ needs to fill some roster spots with very little cap to do so. This helps either way. Can upgrade and flip Johansen for pieces, or can try to develop the Guhle brothers. Johansen was never going to move up the depth chart past Kotka or Lundestrom, so a move out of Minny was needed.
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Post by Old Greg on Feb 6, 2020 15:12:03 GMT -5
Nah take out Guhle and Beaulieu kind of gross for Minny otherwise seeing as he’s a 20 year old 80 dman with growth imo
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Post by viperousperky on Feb 6, 2020 15:47:25 GMT -5
So get rid of Johansens gross contract and give them a starting goalie without them giving up anything? Yeah that totally makes sense...
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Feb 6, 2020 16:04:00 GMT -5
So get rid of Johansens gross contract and give them a starting goalie without them giving up anything? Yeah that totally makes sense... Well no, but it is lopsided in terms of what your secondary team is giving up to only get a few more in overall, that likely both Guhles have high potential to exceed, particularly Kaiden. Jersey would have to add another younger player or 2 to even it out there. |
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Feb 6, 2020 16:17:34 GMT -5
Also, to be fair, Blackwood's contract is just as bad but he's going to be using his MPU points to make it better.
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Post by viperousperky on Feb 6, 2020 16:27:07 GMT -5
I mean, I can take out the Guhles and repost, but I believe that NJ is getting screwed if that is the case. Hayes>Johansen by quite a bit. Blackwood isnt a starting goalie yet, but with his contract he can easily be turned into one which was the plan in Jersey, they just have 0 cap space. So the difference between Johansen and Hayes, plus getting a starting goalie = Kaiden Guhle. Older Guhle basically=Beaulieu, just trying to keep the brothers together.
Hayes>Johanen
Blackwood=Kaiden Guhle
Older Guhle>Beaulieu.
You guys might not agree with the Blackwood value, but the goal has always been to turn him into a starter, and a starting goalie has to at least be worth a b D prospect.
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NJD - MIN
Feb 6, 2020 16:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Feb 6, 2020 16:30:33 GMT -5
Also, to be fair, Blackwood's contract is just as bad but he's going to be using his MPU points to make it better. To be fair?!  What he uses his MPU points on is irrelevant and has zero bearing on the trade itself. You go by what is there, not what he may or may not do with his MPUs. |
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NJD - MIN
Feb 6, 2020 16:34:43 GMT -5
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Feb 6, 2020 16:34:43 GMT -5
I mean, I can take out the Guhles and repost, but I believe that NJ is getting screwed if that is the case. Hayes>Johansen by quite a bit. Blackwood isnt a starting goalie yet, but with his contract he can easily be turned into one which was the plan in Jersey, they just have 0 cap space. So the difference between Johansen and Hayes, plus getting a starting goalie = Kaiden Guhle. Older Guhle basically=Beaulieu, just trying to keep the brothers together. Hayes>Johanen Blackwood=Kaiden Guhle Older Guhle>Beaulieu. You guys might not agree with the Blackwood value, but the goal has always been to turn him into a starter, and a starting goalie has to at least be worth a b D prospect. The older Guhle is NOT equal to Beaulieu at all. Beaulieu has plateaued while Guhle got a +2 in performance upgrades being out of guaranteed ones. He's still on an upward trajectory. |
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Feb 6, 2020 16:35:55 GMT -5
Also, to be fair, Blackwood's contract is just as bad but he's going to be using his MPU points to make it better. To be fair?! What he uses his MPU points on is irrelevant and has zero bearing on the trade itself. You go by what is there, not what he may or may not do with his MPUs. I swear I'm speaking English. What I meant by what I said, which I think was fairly obvious, is that Devils was trying to argue that Johansen's contract was bad so I said "to be fair, Blackwood's contract is just as bad" and mentioned how Minny would have to use their MPU to make it better. |
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Feb 6, 2020 16:40:46 GMT -5
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Feb 6, 2020 16:40:46 GMT -5
To be fair?! What he uses his MPU points on is irrelevant and has zero bearing on the trade itself. You go by what is there, not what he may or may not do with his MPUs. I swear I'm speaking English. What I meant by what I said, which I think was fairly obvious, is that Devils was trying to argue that Johansen's contract was bad so I said "to be fair, Blackwood's contract is just as bad" and mentioned how Minny would have to use their MPU to make it better. They're not that bad of contracts, considering what PR wants for most players these days. Those "bad contracts" you claim they are, are only about $1M-$1.5M too high, and they were probably signed when those players were higher overall. |
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Feb 6, 2020 16:48:55 GMT -5
I swear I'm speaking English. What I meant by what I said, which I think was fairly obvious, is that Devils was trying to argue that Johansen's contract was bad so I said "to be fair, Blackwood's contract is just as bad" and mentioned how Minny would have to use their MPU to make it better. They're not that bad of contracts, considering what PR wants for most players these days. Those "bad contracts" you claim they are, are only about $1M-$1.5M too high, and they were probably signed when those players were higher overall. It was signed when he was still an 84. The matter of the fact is that the Wild will have to use their MPUs they could use on a different player to make him and the contract better. |
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Post by viperousperky on Feb 6, 2020 16:49:14 GMT -5
OK, you guys clearly don't see what both teams are trying to do here. Just reject and I will take out the Guhle's
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Feb 6, 2020 17:01:15 GMT -5
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Feb 6, 2020 17:01:15 GMT -5
OK, you guys clearly don't see what both teams are trying to do here. Just reject and I will take out the Guhle's I do see, but you're still not giving up quite enough from NJD to offset the loss of 2 extremely high potential defensemen... Brothers or not. 🤷 |
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Post by viperousperky on Feb 6, 2020 17:09:59 GMT -5
OK, you guys clearly don't see what both teams are trying to do here. Just reject and I will take out the Guhle's I do see, but you're still not giving up quite enough from NJD to offset the loss of 2 extremely high potential defensemen... Brothers or not. 🤷 Take a look at NJ roster and tell me what you think I should add. Honestly open to suggestions lol |
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NJD - MIN
Feb 6, 2020 17:15:32 GMT -5
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Feb 6, 2020 17:15:32 GMT -5
I do see, but you're still not giving up quite enough from NJD to offset the loss of 2 extremely high potential defensemen... Brothers or not. 🤷 Take a look at NJ roster and tell me what you think I should add. Honestly open to suggestions lol I did, that's part of the problem. I'm also not sure if you're overvaluing Blackwood cuz he'd be Minny's starter or undervaluing K. Guhle as an 80 overall/20 year old, cuz you're clearly undervaluing Brendan with your breakdown up there. 🤷 |
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What he uses his MPU points on is irrelevant and has zero bearing on the trade itself. 
