|
|
Post by viperousperky on Sept 8, 2018 23:36:36 GMT -5
Pending a final accept on the CBJ - BUF trade (has been all day and trying to make changes before the next set of sims)
To CBJ:
C Pavel Zacha PWF 85 - 6.25M RFA 2023 (22)
C Blake Speers SNP 81 - 0.720M RFA 2020 (22)
To NJD:
LW Dmytro Timashov PLY 82 $1,250,000 RFA 2022 (22)
RW Zach Hyman TWF 85 $2,250,000 UFA 2021 (27)
RD Jet Woo TWD 68 $875,000 RFA 2021 (19)
LD Cam Dineen OFD 76 - 0.760M RFA 2020 (21)
LW Chris Kreider PWF 83 - $4.625M UFA 2020 (27) - NYR retains 1M
NJD has a ton of young centers. First line job belongs to Hischier for the foreseeable future, I have been playing Zacha on the wing so I can play Boqvist as my 2C and try and turn him into a beast. Anisimov is holding down the fort as the 3C for the next few years, and then there is still Hayton who will be pushing for a roster spot next season, and a top 6 spot shortly after. That makes Zacha and Speers expendable. NJ has a need of wingers and D. Timashov is a sniping winger will have top 6 mins to try and get a big boost this offseason, and Hyman comes in as their best OA RW who will help develop their young guys. On top of that, NJD has no D prospects at all. Dineen and Woo will each get top 4 spots to try and grow them as much as possible for the future. Kreider is here for cap reasons because zacha is expensive.
FOr CBJ, Zacha fills the 2C job vacated by Kadri, and Speers will likely end up playing 2nd or 3rd line RW this year, hopefully C next year and on, which he would not have had a chance to do in NJ.
This trade makes a lot of sense for both teams with NJD trying to rebuild for another year before trying to compete for a playoff spot, and CBJ trying to push for the playoffs now. Accept for both teams.
|
|
|
|
Post by Nashville Predators GM on Sept 9, 2018 12:13:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure there's enough "quality" going to the Devils in this deal. There's lots of quantity and depth pieces but Zacha is a potential 1st line C.
But I mean CBJ owns both teams so I'll say accept.
|
|
|
|
CBJ - NJD
Sept 9, 2018 12:20:19 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by viperousperky on Sept 9, 2018 12:20:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure there's enough "quality" going to the Devils in this deal. There's lots of quantity and depth pieces but Zacha is a potential 1st line C. But I mean CBJ owns both teams so I'll say accept. Zacha could, but probably won’t get there with prospect upgrades, would have to be MPU, and centre is really crowded in NJ. I’d agree if he was 21 or younger. Hoping woo and dineen will develop well and then this will look real good for NJ |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
CBJ - NJD
Sept 9, 2018 13:02:00 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 13:02:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure there's enough "quality" going to the Devils in this deal. There's lots of quantity and depth pieces but Zacha is a potential 1st line C. But I mean CBJ owns both teams so I'll say accept. Since he owns both teams we should be harder on this not easier. I reject. |
|
|
|
CBJ - NJD
Sept 9, 2018 13:21:53 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by viperousperky on Sept 9, 2018 13:21:53 GMT -5
I don’t understand how this isn’t enough. I added extra to make sure NJ won because they are my second. Maybe zacha ends up a 88? If CBJ is lucky. If timashov and speers get the same boost this would be
Zacha 88
Speers 84
For
Tomashov 85
Hyman 85
Kreider 83
And whatever woo and Dineen become. Possibly both mid-high 80s.
I did this primarily around NJ needs, not CBJ. I was advertising Zacha for a wing and no one even offered. This is exactly what I wanna do with NJ. Need the d prospects and wings, and Zacha is what I was wanting to move so this works perfectly.
|
|
|
|
Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Sept 9, 2018 19:27:58 GMT -5
gonna reject this one braaj
|
|
|
|
Post by viperousperky on Sept 9, 2018 19:45:28 GMT -5
gonna reject this one braaj why? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
CBJ - NJD
Sept 9, 2018 20:23:49 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 20:23:49 GMT -5
For me it comes down to name value. Your 2nd team is still open to new members. The name value of Zacha trumps any players they're getting in return. Yes the return is fair but with them still being an open team, we have to be way harder on these trades.
|
|
|
|
CBJ - NJD
Sept 9, 2018 20:54:28 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by viperousperky on Sept 9, 2018 20:54:28 GMT -5
For me it comes down to name value. Your 2nd team is still open to new members. The name value of Zacha trumps any players they're getting in return. Yes the return is fair but with them still being an open team, we have to be way harder on these trades. I don’t like this reasoning. Think they would rather have some young guys turned into beasts in a season then an 87 OA zacha, a friking traffic jam at c, and no wings with all those young guys not developing properly due to lack of playing time. Oh and a very weak d system. Nothing to grow there for the future at all. This is the only reason I did the trade with buffalo as the return I got from kadri is exactly what NJ is looking for. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
CBJ - NJD
Sept 9, 2018 21:33:35 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 21:33:35 GMT -5
Which guys here are gonna turn into beasts? Timashov and Speers are a wash. Kreider is a UFA and Dineen probably wouldn't turn into anything special. Then it's Hyman and Pu for Zacha. Yes Pu is AMPU eligible but prospects like Zetterlund that they already have will be left alone and thus will be made into nothing.
Hyman and Pu for Zacha is fair because of AMPUs but considering they are your second team, these trades need to be way harder to do than a normal trade.
|
|
|
|
Post by viperousperky on Sept 9, 2018 22:07:01 GMT -5
Which guys here are gonna turn into beasts? Timashov and Speers are a wash. Kreider is a UFA and Dineen probably wouldn't turn into anything special. Then it's Hyman and Pu for Zacha. Yes Pu is AMPU eligible but prospects like Zetterlund that they already have will be left alone and thus will be made into nothing. Hyman and Pu for Zacha is fair because of AMPUs but considering they are your second team, these trades need to be way harder to do than a normal trade. well if your arguing that the guys here wont turn into beasts, then zacha shouldent be that much better. Only 3 OA higher than timashov and the same age. But the ones I need to turn into beasts are already on NJ roster and dont have time to play with zacha there. Boqvist and Hayton. And Pu has more value than zetterlund because NJ has no D, and a shit ton of C, so zetterlund is so far down the depth chart and pu is a priority that would get top 4 mins to develop him fully. Dineen might not turn into a beast, but giving him top line mins next to severson might give him a chance. Kind of like what you are trying to do with Bahl... I broke down like this if it helps. Hyman=Speers Tmashov + Pu + Dineen + Kreider > Zacha. An 83 an't have no value even if he is a pending UFA, nothing says NJ can't resign him. And Pu, Dineen, and Kreider have to be more than enough to make up a 3OA gap between guys that are the same age. Jersey wins this trade. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 9:37:13 GMT -5
Accept
|
|
|
|
Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Sept 10, 2018 12:27:25 GMT -5
gonna reject this one braaj why? CBJ convinced me over PM, changing this to Accept/Final |
|
