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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Mar 7, 2021 13:48:20 GMT -5
To  C Roni Hirovonen PLY 66 (19) - 0.800M RFA 2023 RW Lukas Svejkovsky SNP 61 (19) - 0.700M RFA 2023 LD Carson Soucy DFD 82 (27) - 2.75M UFA 2023 RD Jacob Bernard-Docker TWD 79 (21) - 0.900M RFA 2023 RD Topi Niemela TWD 60 (19) - 0.700M RFA 2023 MIN 2023 1ST MIN 2024 2ND To  RD Aaron Ekblad TWD 86 (25) - 7.5M UFA 2025 - [FLA retains 50% -> 2022. 3.75M hit] LD Keith Yandle TWD 85 (35) - 6.35M UFA 2023 - NMC - [FLA retains 50% -> 2023. 3.175M hit] Accept cromkey EDIT: Yandle waives for MIN |
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Post by cromkey on Mar 7, 2021 13:58:03 GMT -5
Accept.
We feel like we're getting some very good pieces back and we know this isn't a contending year.
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Post by Old Greg on Mar 7, 2021 14:10:10 GMT -5
This is garbage no? Or am I missing something here? I sometimes have a hard time with who’s getting upgrades but Soucy is nothing, Bernard-Docker isn’t anything special, the other guys are low 60s, 1st is nice I guess but other than that I don’t see the value?
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Mar 7, 2021 14:23:56 GMT -5
This is garbage no? Or am I missing something here? I sometimes have a hard time with who’s getting upgrades but Soucy is nothing, Bernard-Docker isn’t anything special, the other guys are low 60s, 1st is nice I guess but other than that I don’t see the value? How is an 82 considered nothing and how is a young RD nothing special? You traded Robertson 80 (20) straight up for an Merzlinkins 84 (27) Bernard-Docker 79 (21) has similar value to Robertson and is playing a more prominent role. Please stay consistent when gauging trade value. Breakdown Ekblad -> Bernard-Docker + Hirovonen + Slaj + 1st + 2nd Yandle -> Soucy + Niemela Two vets making a deal we both want. |
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Mar 7, 2021 14:34:09 GMT -5
This is garbage no? Or am I missing something here? I sometimes have a hard time with who’s getting upgrades but Soucy is nothing, Bernard-Docker isn’t anything special, the other guys are low 60s, 1st is nice I guess but other than that I don’t see the value? You also accepted this deall hockleague.freeforums.net/thread/9584/bruins-bluesVaakanainen 80 (22) straight up for Dunn 85 (25) Bernard-Docker will be 81 (22) next year, one OA higher than Vaak meaning they have similar value, and you accepted that value straight up for Dunn who is same age and 1 OA lower than Ekblad and Dunn is even signed a year longer, making 2.5M less per season. So where is the consistency? |
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Post by Old Greg on Mar 7, 2021 14:39:17 GMT -5
This is garbage no? Or am I missing something here? I sometimes have a hard time with who’s getting upgrades but Soucy is nothing, Bernard-Docker isn’t anything special, the other guys are low 60s, 1st is nice I guess but other than that I don’t see the value? How is an 82 considered nothing and how is a young RD nothing special? You traded Robertson 80 (20) straight up for an Merzlinkins 84 (27) Bernard-Docker 79 (21) has similar value to Robertson and is playing a more prominent role. Please stay consistent when gauging trade value. Breakdown Ekblad -> Bernard-Docker + Hirovonen + Slaj + 1st + 2nd Yandle -> Soucy + Niemela Two vets making a deal we both want. An 82 is a 6th dman lol. My trade has nothing to do with this so not sure why you would mention it. If it was unfair it should have been rejected. I just don’t see the value whatsoever here for Florida but like I said I have no idea who’s getting upgrades bernard could be in line for a decent one but no idea. The rest of the players don’t really have much value to me. But I guess that Yandle contract is trash since he’s in for an auto downgrade. Vets or no vets shouldn’t matter everyone is capable of making an unfair trade. Maybe Ekblad is overrated cuz of name value |
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Post by Old Greg on Mar 7, 2021 14:41:25 GMT -5
This is garbage no? Or am I missing something here? I sometimes have a hard time with who’s getting upgrades but Soucy is nothing, Bernard-Docker isn’t anything special, the other guys are low 60s, 1st is nice I guess but other than that I don’t see the value? You also accepted this deall hockleague.freeforums.net/thread/9584/bruins-bluesVaakanainen 80 (22) straight up for Dunn 85 (25) Bernard-Docker will be 81 (22) next year, one OA higher than Vaak meaning they have similar value, and you accepted that value straight up for Dunn who is same age and 1 OA lower than Ekblad and Dunn is even signed a year longer, making 2.5M less per season. So where is the consistency? Well you did say that deal was unfair lol. |
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Mar 7, 2021 14:42:54 GMT -5
You also accepted this deall hockleague.freeforums.net/thread/9584/bruins-bluesVaakanainen 80 (22) straight up for Dunn 85 (25) Bernard-Docker will be 81 (22) next year, one OA higher than Vaak meaning they have similar value, and you accepted that value straight up for Dunn who is same age and 1 OA lower than Ekblad and Dunn is even signed a year longer, making 2.5M less per season. So where is the consistency? Well you did say that deal was unfair lol. Thats the point, if this gets rejected in your mind, then why was that one okay haha just trying to stay consistent with what the league deems market value |
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Post by Old Greg on Mar 7, 2021 14:47:05 GMT -5
Maybe I’m just overvaluing Ekblad cuz of his name and Yandle does get the autodowngrade
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 7, 2021 15:03:16 GMT -5
I don't think this is enough because of that 50% retention being added onto Ekblad. I think more substantial pieces should be going towards Florida. I rarely reject trades, but this one is clearly one-sided in terms of who receives benefit. A bunch of 60 overall specs and a couple maybe okay guys doesn't cut it for me here. Let's not forget how well Florida has been doing this season.
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Mar 7, 2021 15:28:22 GMT -5
I don't think this is enough because of that 50% retention being added onto Ekblad. I think more substantial pieces should be going towards Florida. I rarely reject trades, but this one is clearly one-sided in terms of who receives benefit. A bunch of 60 overall specs and a couple maybe okay guys doesn't cut it for me here. Let's not forget how well Florida has been doing this season. The original deal didn't even have the retentions, only involved so FLA can stay cap compliant or he'd be under floor. Thats why Eks is for this season only. |
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Post by Old Greg on Mar 8, 2021 19:54:04 GMT -5
Mods let’s get this finalized for these 2 gms
3 accepts right now and 2 rejects
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Post by Nashville Predators GM on Mar 8, 2021 20:30:08 GMT -5
I'd accept if FLA wasn't retaining but don't think it's enough.
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Post by New York Rangers GM on Mar 8, 2021 22:20:02 GMT -5
I'll reject too, not enough. Those 19 year olds are all essentially useless and just going to played in the AHL barring a miracle.
Here's prospects I would like to see to accept a deal:
C Chaz Lucius TWF 75 (18) - 2.5M RFA 2024
LW Justin Janicke SNP 71 (18) - 0.950M RFA 2024
RW Bobby Brink SNP 78 (20) - 0.850M RFA 2023
RW Dawson Mercer TWF 78 (20) - 0.925M RFA 2023
RD Drew Helleson TWD 76 (20) - 0.800M RFA 2023
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Mar 9, 2021 10:02:11 GMT -5
Where were all these rejects for the Dunn trade? I’m giving up so much more and for a player equal to Dunn value, and people thought I was “micromanaging “ that trade by trying to reject it and that it was a fine trade cause STL GM “knew what he was doing”. Then when I post one that’s similar since the league set the market value by accepting Dunn to BOS, it’s seeing more rejects then accepts. It logically makes zero sense, consistency is key to these leagues being successful, not deciding one similar trade is good and the other isn’t. If Dunn to BOS was rejected I wouldn’t even have offered this sort of package, yet here we are cause the league already deemed that trade more than acceptable.
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