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Jul 21, 2020 14:06:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 14:06:20 GMT -5
To  RW Kasperi Kapanen TWF 83 (23) - 3.2M RFA 2022 RW Andreas Johnsson SNP 83 (25) - 3.4M UFA 2023 RD Brett Pesce DFD 86 (25) - 4.025M UFA 2024 LD Rasmus Sandin TWD 78 (20) - 0.894M RFA 2022 RD Timothy Liljegren TWD 77 (21) - 0.863M RFA 2022 To  LW Alex Galchenyuk PLY 84 - 4.5M UFA 2022 (26) RD Drew Doughty TWD 92 (30) - 11.0M UFA 2027 - NMC 5.5M retained for duration. This trade is contingent on LAK boosting Galchenyuk to 85, and being moved to C |
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jul 21, 2020 14:08:42 GMT -5
Moving out a lot of young pieces but bringing in Doughty to Toronto was something I could not pass up on.
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Jul 21, 2020 14:27:11 GMT -5
Post by Old Greg on Jul 21, 2020 14:27:11 GMT -5
Woof I thought I was lowballing trying to get Doughty lol but this isn’t very good. Paying that much cap and upgrading Galchenyuk lol idk seems terrible even if that wasn’t involved. But I was trying hard for Doughty so I’ll just say that and stay out of it lol
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Jul 21, 2020 14:31:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 14:31:22 GMT -5
In fairness, Pesce is better contract than Risto and otherwise comparable, and you wouldn’t move D prospect. In this deal I get 2 good D prospects +KapJohnsson. I don’t care about Galchenyuk at all.
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Post by Nashville Predators GM on Jul 21, 2020 14:31:41 GMT -5
5.5M for the duration of Doughty's contract seems way too excessive...
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Jul 21, 2020 14:35:18 GMT -5
Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jul 21, 2020 14:35:18 GMT -5
5.5M for the duration of Doughty's contract seems way too excessive... Was the only way for me to take on that kind of cap. |
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Jul 21, 2020 14:37:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 14:37:10 GMT -5
Do people not value Sandin at all? I feel like I’m missing something. This is 2nd deal I’ve tried to pull for Sandin and everybody keeps saying I’m getting ripped off, but I don’t see anyone else offering a player like that, in a deal like this. It’s all well and good to deny stuff to prevent people from getting taken advantage of, but I feel a little slighted. I pulled out of another deal with Doughty that I really liked because of fear of it getting denied. I like this one too.
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Jul 21, 2020 14:39:31 GMT -5
Post by Nashville Predators GM on Jul 21, 2020 14:39:31 GMT -5
I think the return is good. I like the trade for both teams, I just think the retention is way too long. I'd suggest 3-4 years MAX.
But if LA is good with it, then I'm good with it.
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Jul 21, 2020 14:41:45 GMT -5
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Post by viperousperky on Jul 21, 2020 14:41:45 GMT -5
I gotta reject. Doughty at 5.5M is worth more.
Kings is getting ripped off. Those players and prospects are alright, but not one of them is A grade. If sandin was a 78 at 18 maybe, but he’s already 20, and upgrades from now on depend on performance. Kap and johnson are meh. D man coming back is a decent piece but not for a 50% salty doughty.
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Jul 21, 2020 14:42:05 GMT -5
Post by Old Greg on Jul 21, 2020 14:42:05 GMT -5
In fairness, Pesce is better contract than Risto and otherwise comparable, and you wouldn’t move D prospect. In this deal I get 2 good D prospects +KapJohnsson. I don’t care about Galchenyuk at all. Not really when you factor in the 5.5 you’re retaining on Doughty lol at least I wasn’t allowing you to do that even though you kept saying you would. Plus Risto > Pesce imo only difference is you’re getting a few extra players that would have to perform to even be worth anything. And also Joubran only way to work was the 5.5 but you’re willing to take Galchenyuk lol 4.5? |
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Jul 21, 2020 14:43:57 GMT -5
Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jul 21, 2020 14:43:57 GMT -5
In fairness, Pesce is better contract than Risto and otherwise comparable, and you wouldn’t move D prospect. In this deal I get 2 good D prospects +KapJohnsson. I don’t care about Galchenyuk at all. Not really when you factor in the 5.5 you’re retaining on Doughty lol at least I wasn’t allowing you to do that even though you kept saying you would. Plus Risto > Pesce imo only difference is you’re getting a few extra players that would have to perform to even be worth anything. And also Joubran only way to work was the 5.5 but you’re willing to take Galchenyuk lol 4.5? Wasn't really a willing. I couldn't have Pesce on RD playing 3rd line so I had to move him for somebody and Galch was the only really real option to do so. |
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Jul 21, 2020 14:44:28 GMT -5
Post by Old Greg on Jul 21, 2020 14:44:28 GMT -5
And I’m just saying this not because I want to backdoor Leafs I just don’t want kings to get ripped. I even told him in our negotiations he can ask sens wild or Canucks if what I’m offering is good or bad. But we couldn’t come to an agreement anyway
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Jul 21, 2020 14:45:00 GMT -5
Post by Nashville Predators GM on Jul 21, 2020 14:45:00 GMT -5
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Jul 21, 2020 14:45:32 GMT -5
Do people not value Sandin at all? I feel like I’m missing something. This is 2nd deal I’ve tried to pull for Sandin and everybody keeps saying I’m getting ripped off, but I don’t see anyone else offering a player like that, in a deal like this. It’s all well and good to deny stuff to prevent people from getting taken advantage of, but I feel a little slighted. I pulled out of another deal with Doughty that I really liked because of fear of it getting denied. I like this one too. Nah its not a bad deal for value - its the retention that is way too long If you are paying 5.5M for Doughty to leave LAK - then you might as well apply that same hit to Pesce since he is filling Doughty's role - meaning you are paying 9.525M to play Pesce over Doughty - Pesce is 86 while Doughty is 91 ...then add 3 more years after Pesce deal expires before Doughty retention is done too... Get the players are going to add value to the direction you are in, yet those same young players are going to want to be paid once they develop & if you are carrying 5.5M hit to 2027, you are going to have a hard time keeping all the guys you want to develop. The player value is sorta fair, the retention is not. I'd ACCEPT it if the retention was no longer than 2023. |
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Jul 21, 2020 14:46:17 GMT -5
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Jul 21, 2020 14:46:17 GMT -5
5.5M for the duration of Doughty's contract seems way too excessive... Was the only way for me to take on that kind of cap. Then you literally can't take on that kind of cap... 🤷 |
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