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Jul 22, 2020 12:51:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 12:51:47 GMT -5
I’m not pissed at all. It’s all good fun . I just think it’s funny that some of the GMs bitching about the trade returns, are the same ones not operating in good faith on the other side. It’s all well and good to say you’re looking out, but then offer a fair return. You admit you didn’t. So, if you’re all not offering fair returns, but then rejecting the trades I do accept, wtf does that leave me? You just want me to accept YOUR shitty return. I get it. We’d all want that, lol That’s not true at all I always told you to ask an admin if it was fair because what you wanted in return I knew wasn’t going to fly lol. You wanted Kadri Nichuskin picks and a prospect of something like that while paying half of Doughty contract at first. Then a bunch of other offers happened which we couldn’t agree upon and then I moved on. I haven’t even made an offer since that on Doughty even with your trade being rejected. Dude, don’t act like Bryram and Graves weren’t a part of that. Plus I was flipping Kadri to Tor for Kap+Sandin. All the other offers were garbage. So where was YOUR FAIR offer? It never happened. Don’t act like you’re looking out, but in same the breath say “ I was only giving you wha you asked for”. That doesn’t fly. Come on. The deal I wanted from you was Risto+Bryram+ your choice of prospect. But you said no. So I went to Tor.
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Jul 22, 2020 12:53:19 GMT -5
Post by Old Greg on Jul 22, 2020 12:53:19 GMT -5
That’s not true at all I always told you to ask an admin if it was fair because what you wanted in return I knew wasn’t going to fly lol. You wanted Kadri Nichuskin picks and a prospect of something like that while paying half of Doughty contract at first. Then a bunch of other offers happened which we couldn’t agree upon and then I moved on. I haven’t even made an offer since that on Doughty even with your trade being rejected. Dude, don’t act like Bryram and Graves weren’t a part of that. Plus I was flipping Kadri to Tor for Kap+Sandin. All the other offers were garbage. So where was YOUR FAIR offer? It never happened. Don’t act like you’re looking out, but in same the breath say “ I was only giving you wha you asked for”. That doesn’t fly. Come on. The deal I wanted from you was Risto+Bryram+ your choice of prospect. But you said no. So I went to Tor. Ok so my offer was even better than I thought with graves lol
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Jul 22, 2020 12:54:48 GMT -5
Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jul 22, 2020 12:54:48 GMT -5
I'm just gonna keep thinking y'all are just terrified of me adding Doughty to an already stacked roster and thus won't let any trade for him through. Keeps me somewhat sane. My biggest thing was the retention and overrated leaf prospects lol. But that retention was a joke I don't understand how they're overrated when I have multiple people asking about them. Just because you don't like them it doesn't mean they don't have value. There's a reason they're in my starting lineup.
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Jul 22, 2020 13:07:22 GMT -5
Post by Old Greg on Jul 22, 2020 13:07:22 GMT -5
My biggest thing was the retention and overrated leaf prospects lol. But that retention was a joke I don't understand how they're overrated when I have multiple people asking about them. Just because you don't like them it doesn't mean they don't have value. There's a reason they're in my starting lineup. There in your lineup because the leafs d core sucks lol everyone knows that. There one true weakness plus you know they need to play to get the performance upgrades. Why not just be a good “mate” lol and not make Kings pay all that retention. I’m sure the league would put that trade through and before you say you can’t afford him well then take out Galchenyuk.
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Jul 22, 2020 13:33:09 GMT -5
Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jul 22, 2020 13:33:09 GMT -5
I don't understand how they're overrated when I have multiple people asking about them. Just because you don't like them it doesn't mean they don't have value. There's a reason they're in my starting lineup. There in your lineup because the leafs d core sucks lol everyone knows that. There one true weakness plus you know they need to play to get the performance upgrades. Why not just be a good “mate” lol and not make Kings pay all that retention. I’m sure the league would put that trade through and before you say you can’t afford him well then take out Galchenyuk. Galchenyuk and Pesce weren't apart of the initial trade we had between us. I included them cause having Pesce on my 3rd pairing would be useless. So I told him to include Pesce and Galchenyuk but I would want Galch upgraded and changed to C. Essentially that was a different trade in itself.
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Jul 22, 2020 13:34:40 GMT -5
Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jul 22, 2020 13:34:40 GMT -5
Also, everybody knows young guys need to play to grow. That's such a garbage argument lmao.
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Jul 22, 2020 14:16:46 GMT -5
Post by Old Greg on Jul 22, 2020 14:16:46 GMT -5
Also, everybody knows young guys need to play to grow. That's such a garbage argument lmao. I’m talking about playing them in the nhl not ahl dum dum. I’m just trying to help you get your trade through with suggestions but doesn’t seem like you want any lol
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Jul 22, 2020 14:57:47 GMT -5
Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Jul 22, 2020 14:57:47 GMT -5
For the record, I'm not trying to fleece new guys at all. They are just the easiest to trade with because all us veterans are so god damn crusty and set in our ways that we can never agree, or one guy decides he'll settle with the short end of the stick cuz you're buds... (like my deal with kruze). Shit, me and cook don't even try because we know we'll never agree 😆. I personally feel like both my trades with Arizona were fine. But maybe I was blinded because I was in the deal. I dunno
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Jul 22, 2020 15:12:26 GMT -5
As for LA with Doughty. Its easy to say he has huge value but from experience I know that the offers for him always look just like the one he accepted with TML. Last era this is what I got for him. Funny enough it was Joubran then too. Look familiar? Lol TO RD Rasmus Ristolainen TWD 85 - 5.4M UFA 2022 (24) RD Zach Bogosian DFD 80 - 5.143M UFA 2020 (29) G Linus Ullmark HYB 80 - 1.325M UFA 2020 (26) C Tage Thompson TWF 78 - 0.925M RFA 2020 (21) LW Scott Wilson TWF 78 - 1.05M UFA 2020 (27) C Dylan Cozens PWF 76 - 0.925M RFA 2022 (18) LD Ryan Johnson TWD 68 - unsigned rights (18) Buffalo's 2020 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th Draft Picks TO RD Drew Doughty TWD 91 - 11.000M UFA 2027 - NMC (29) G Jonathan Quick HYB 86 - 5.800M UFA 2023 (33) RD Paul Ladue TWD 78 - 0.825M UFA 2020 (27)
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Jul 22, 2020 15:22:36 GMT -5
Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jul 22, 2020 15:22:36 GMT -5
And that trade came to bite me in the ass too. Quick got hit with downgrades (luckily I moved him before that), Risto became better than Doughty and Cozens became a top 6 forward as well.
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Jul 22, 2020 15:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Jul 22, 2020 15:27:03 GMT -5
Well, first off... I'm one of the guys that's against outright salary retention unless it's at the deadline for a rental player. 🤷 You'll rarely ever catch me asking for anyone to retain salary unless it's that particular instance, and I usually won't retain salary unless it's that instance as well. It's also the salary retention that I inherited that has me over cap right now too, and I didn't even make those deals. 😂😂 My philosophy is if you can't afford it, don't do it. Simple.
As it pertains to the Doughty deal that got nixed, there's a point where it gets excessive, especially when you have a long term contract like that and the trading team is on the hook for half the salary, even if the player gets bought out at some point during that contract. And the reality is that Joubran should know better as a veteran GM and just not fuck any team over like that, least of all a new-to-sims GM. Kind of a dick move IMO.
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Jul 22, 2020 15:37:03 GMT -5
Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jul 22, 2020 15:37:03 GMT -5
Salary retention is a thing irl and happens all the team (again look at the Kessel deal). You pay more to have that included, which I did and it's something playoff teams do to better manage their cap and something non playoff teams do to get assets for. I did it all the time in my rebuilds cause it's a great way to use your advantages to your strengths as LA is trying to do. Not allowing that is quite stupid especially when you won't even offer LA a deal yourself. Now he's stuck with Doughty when he wants to do a rebuild, doesn't make much sense.
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Post by Nashville Predators GM on Jul 22, 2020 15:38:19 GMT -5
Also, have we ever heard of an NHL deal that had a team retaining for longer than 4 years?
I'm more curious than anything. I might be wrong.
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Jul 22, 2020 15:40:32 GMT -5
Post by gingerbreadman on Jul 22, 2020 15:40:32 GMT -5
Probably Kessel, 1.2M for 7 years
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Jul 22, 2020 15:45:53 GMT -5
Post by Old Greg on Jul 22, 2020 15:45:53 GMT -5
That trade snag posted has no salary retention that’s the biggest sticking point in the deal and lol I acquired Risto hoping I could package him for Doughty too
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