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Post by Nashville Predators GM on Jul 22, 2020 15:46:43 GMT -5
Probably Kessel, 1.2M for 7 years Was he really 7 years? I thought it was 4 or 5. Still, it wasn't half his salary, which is also an absurd amount.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 15:49:32 GMT -5
Wow. I feel like my trade with TOR is better than that return.
EDM GM, that’s great that’s your philosophy. So should every team in this league operate with same exact philosophy? Trades for bad contracts would never get done then. And again MARKET DICTATES VALUE!
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Jul 22, 2020 15:50:14 GMT -5
Salary retention is a thing irl and happens all the team (again look at the Kessel deal). You pay more to have that included, which I did and it's something playoff teams do to better manage their cap and something non playoff teams do to get assets for. I did it all the time in my rebuilds cause it's a great way to use your advantages to your strengths as LA is trying to do. Not allowing that is quite stupid especially when you won't even offer LA a deal yourself. Now he's stuck with Doughty when he wants to do a rebuild, doesn't make much sense. Yes... Playoff teams, Joubie, not before the season even starts. 😂😂 If he wants to rebuild, he can rebuild... He just shouldn't be saddled with paying half of Doughty's contract for it's duration. That's $5M that he's going to need down the line to pay his young punks as they get better and are demanding more money. Retention for that long, and before the season star, is fucking ridiculous.
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Post by gingerbreadman on Jul 22, 2020 15:51:18 GMT -5
If the LA-Tor Doughty trade was actually 2 trades, why not post it as 2 trades? It gets kind of crazy with so many moving parts in one trade. Seemed like the only thing holding up the Doughty trade was salary retention. If you need to get cap relief right away, why not ask for some small-cap retention of 1-2M for the 1st yr or 2 and nothing after that. I'm assuming the cap will go up. The Galchenyuk/Pesce trade seemed fine, I thought the upgrade was weird but the upgrade could've been LA GM's way of getting a player he wanted, so if that's a separate trade, I would assume it would get accepted cause it seemed like a personal preference on those 2 players. Just my thoughts on the LA-TOR trade.
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Post by gingerbreadman on Jul 22, 2020 15:58:33 GMT -5
Probably Kessel, 1.2M for 7 years Was he really 7 years? I thought it was 4 or 5. Still, it wasn't half his salary, which is also an absurd amount. Jagr got traded and capitals agreed to pay 4M for like 4 yrs but that was before the salary cap. Salary cap started at the of the contract and I don't remember how they dealt with it. Kessel was 7 yrs @ 1.2M per season. It's still listed on Leafs roster page, ending 2022.
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Jul 22, 2020 16:00:08 GMT -5
Wow. I feel like my trade with TOR is better than that return. EDM GM, that’s great that’s your philosophy. So should every team in this league operate with same exact philosophy? Trades for bad contracts would never get done then. And again MARKET DICTATES VALUE! It'd be nice if it wasn't so prominent, and ever 2nd or 3rd trade wasn't a retention deal, yes... Especially when it's a superstar player like Doughty. Cuz you're right, market does dictate value and 90+ players make $8M-$9M+... It makes it unfair for the rest of the league when you have a team that's paying $5M for a 92, but when we sign or re-sign our players, we're having to negotiate $5M-$7M deals for players 85-89. 🤷 It's bullshit, really.
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jul 22, 2020 17:00:27 GMT -5
Wow. I feel like my trade with TOR is better than that return. EDM GM, that’s great that’s your philosophy. So should every team in this league operate with same exact philosophy? Trades for bad contracts would never get done then. And again MARKET DICTATES VALUE! It'd be nice if it wasn't so prominent, and ever 2nd or 3rd trade wasn't a retention deal, yes... Especially when it's a superstar player like Doughty. Cuz you're right, market does dictate value and 90+ players make $8M-$9M+... It makes it unfair for the rest of the league when you have a team that's paying $5M for a 92, but when we sign or re-sign our players, we're having to negotiate $5M-$7M deals for players 85-89. 🤷 It's bullshit, really. And I'm trading assets to get that kind of value. Now you're showing that this is more of a "well this isn't fair to my team so I'm rejecting it even though I have nothing to do with the trade". I moved extra assets for that retention alone.
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Post by Old Greg on Jul 22, 2020 17:00:59 GMT -5
For the record, I'm not trying to fleece new guys at all. They are just the easiest to trade with because all us veterans are so god damn crusty and set in our ways that we can never agree, or one guy decides he'll settle with the short end of the stick cuz you're buds... (like my deal with kruze). Shit, me and cook don't even try because we know we'll never agree 😆. I personally feel like both my trades with Arizona were fine. But maybe I was blinded because I was in the deal. I dunno Idk just seems wrong that Antoine Rousel was traded for his top prospect lol
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jul 22, 2020 17:04:10 GMT -5
Was he really 7 years? I thought it was 4 or 5. Still, it wasn't half his salary, which is also an absurd amount. Jagr got traded and capitals agreed to pay 4M for like 4 yrs but that was before the salary cap. Salary cap started at the of the contract and I don't remember how they dealt with it. Kessel was 7 yrs @ 1.2M per season. It's still listed on Leafs roster page, ending 2022. Also Ottawa retained 25% of Phaneuf's contract for 4 years when sending him to LA. Irl teams can't retain for less than the entire contract I'm pretty sure.
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Jul 22, 2020 17:15:07 GMT -5
It'd be nice if it wasn't so prominent, and ever 2nd or 3rd trade wasn't a retention deal, yes... Especially when it's a superstar player like Doughty. Cuz you're right, market does dictate value and 90+ players make $8M-$9M+... It makes it unfair for the rest of the league when you have a team that's paying $5M for a 92, but when we sign or re-sign our players, we're having to negotiate $5M-$7M deals for players 85-89. 🤷 It's bullshit, really. And I'm trading assets to get that kind of value. Now you're showing that this is more of a "well this isn't fair to my team so I'm rejecting it even though I have nothing to do with the trade". I moved extra assets for that retention alone. And you shouldn't be able to... No one should. That's that point. The system is broken enough with upgrades and downgrades without people taking advantage of others like that, just so they can have a star player for the price of 2nd or 3rd liner for 7 fucking years.... Meanwhile the rest of the teams in the league are having to fork over $10M+ to even have, get or retain a player like that. It has to do with everyone at that point dude... Not just you and the Kings.
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Jul 22, 2020 18:50:48 GMT -5
For the record, I'm not trying to fleece new guys at all. They are just the easiest to trade with because all us veterans are so god damn crusty and set in our ways that we can never agree, or one guy decides he'll settle with the short end of the stick cuz you're buds... (like my deal with kruze). Shit, me and cook don't even try because we know we'll never agree 😆. I personally feel like both my trades with Arizona were fine. But maybe I was blinded because I was in the deal. I dunno Idk just seems wrong that Antoine Rousel was traded for his top prospect lol That's just the way that you are looking at it though.
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