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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Jan 3, 2021 16:36:41 GMT -5
This current system for prospects wasn't your idea. 😂😂 The fact you try to take credit for it, is hilarious. And yes, you do try to screw folks over Joubie... You always have. But reminding us now of how you "learned" as a newb, that's not surprising at all either. 🤷 No one should learn that way because it teaches bad habits & it also compromises the integrity of the league when bad trades are put through... It doesn't matter how much experience you have, it sets a bad example for newer players too. In fact, experienced players should know better... I’m not taking credit for the system of prospect upgrades, I’m taking credit for the value put on prospects (which you yourself have said is my doing when complaining about how they’re overvalued). Cranker and I were the first ones to really identify the value of prospects when we transitioned to a performance based upgrading system. And again, not every trade will be fair. My job and everybody else’s job isn’t to baby the GM they’re trading with, it’s to do what is best for my team and my team alone. Have trades come to bite me in the ass? Yeah. Have I had big trades that worked largely in my favour? Yeah. It’s apart of being a GM. You win some, you lose some. It’s not the league’s job to tell you if you’re losing, you should know that yourself. I wouldn't even give you credit for that... 😂😂 You just jumped on the bandwagon like everyone else. The purpose of the new system wasn't to make prospects the only reason to be in these leagues, but that's exactly what's happened... And, in the process, it has diminished the value of any player over 26 to virtually nil, unless they're over 84 overall, which also wasn't the purpose of elevating prospect values. Any player 23-34 yrs old should be judged by the same measuring stick based on overall, player type, contract and duration... That's it. Cuz those players have the exact same potential of upgrading or downgrading based on the system in place, but that's not what's happening either. As soon as a player hits 27-28, they're automatically considered useless, which is 100% wrong, any way you try and argue it.
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jan 3, 2021 16:45:57 GMT -5
I’m not taking credit for the system of prospect upgrades, I’m taking credit for the value put on prospects (which you yourself have said is my doing when complaining about how they’re overvalued). Cranker and I were the first ones to really identify the value of prospects when we transitioned to a performance based upgrading system. And again, not every trade will be fair. My job and everybody else’s job isn’t to baby the GM they’re trading with, it’s to do what is best for my team and my team alone. Have trades come to bite me in the ass? Yeah. Have I had big trades that worked largely in my favour? Yeah. It’s apart of being a GM. You win some, you lose some. It’s not the league’s job to tell you if you’re losing, you should know that yourself. I wouldn't even give you credit for that... 😂😂 You just jumped on the bandwagon like everyone else. The purpose of the new system wasn't to make prospects the only reason to be in these leagues, but that's exactly what's happened... And, in the process, it has diminished the value of any player over 26 to virtually nil, unless they're over 84 overall, which also wasn't the purpose of elevating prospect values. Any player 23-34 yrs old should be judged by the same measuring stick based on overall, player type, contract and duration... That's it. Cuz those players have the exact same potential of upgrading or downgrading based on the system in place, but that's not what's happening either. As soon as a player hits 27-28, they're automatically considered useless, which is 100% wrong, any way you try and argue it. The funny thing is you say that I deem those players useless and yet look at my team on rockem. My team is made up of for the most part older players. They’re not valueless, their value is just not the same as younger guys of the same overall for multiple reasons, one of them being that the younger guys have longer careers so I get more bang for my buck. I tried explaining this to you with the whole car analogy as to why you’d buy a 2020 Hyundai Accent over a 2010 BMW. Even though they’re the same price, one will give you more bang for your buck.
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Post by viperousperky on Jan 3, 2021 16:54:34 GMT -5
soooooo can someone either reject or finalize this
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Jan 3, 2021 16:56:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't even give you credit for that... 😂😂 You just jumped on the bandwagon like everyone else. The purpose of the new system wasn't to make prospects the only reason to be in these leagues, but that's exactly what's happened... And, in the process, it has diminished the value of any player over 26 to virtually nil, unless they're over 84 overall, which also wasn't the purpose of elevating prospect values. Any player 23-34 yrs old should be judged by the same measuring stick based on overall, player type, contract and duration... That's it. Cuz those players have the exact same potential of upgrading or downgrading based on the system in place, but that's not what's happening either. As soon as a player hits 27-28, they're automatically considered useless, which is 100% wrong, any way you try and argue it. The funny thing is you say that I deem those players useless and yet look at my team on rockem. My team is made up of for the most part older players. They’re not valueless, their value is just not the same as younger guys of the same overall for multiple reasons, one of them being that the younger guys have longer careers so I get more bang for my buck. I tried explaining this to you with the whole car analogy as to why you’d buy a 2020 Hyundai Accent over a 2010 BMW. Even though they’re the same price, one will give you more bang for your buck. 1) Vegas basically comes ready to go, and I still beat you in the 1st round there too. 2) Yes, until players are into auto-downgrades, their value is the same based on overall, player type contract & duration. I also already told you your car analogy sucked cuz both Hyundais & BMWs are awful & should be in a junkyard. 😂😂
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jan 3, 2021 17:14:15 GMT -5
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Jan 3, 2021 17:50:31 GMT -5
Not a good trade in my eyes but trust viper knows what he wants so Final
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Jan 3, 2021 19:04:20 GMT -5
Not a good trade in my eyes but trust viper knows what he wants so Final If it's a bad trade, it shouldn't be accepted. 🤦 This just perpetuates everything I've been saying all along about damaging the integrity of the league man. 😕 It shouldn't be ok for anyone ripping eachother off, experienced or not. There's ways to get deals done without playing "screw your neighbor".
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Jan 3, 2021 19:19:33 GMT -5
Its not a great trade for sure, he absolutely could have got more for Boeser. That being said both dudes are the same age. Myers cap is less than half for an extra year. It's not unrealistic to think that Boeser will stay an 86 while Myers could easily auto upgrade. The 1st is like buying a lottery ticket. Some people like to gamble and those picks typically don't come cheap. On top of all that Viper is a smart dude and a good GM. Clearly he has a plan. I get your argument kruze, but as lopsided as it looks at first, at the end of the day its not that bad. Especially if that pick pans out.
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Post by New York Rangers GM on Jan 3, 2021 19:23:05 GMT -5
I am upset that I gave up Boeser for Hughes, only to have this happen
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Jan 3, 2021 20:28:15 GMT -5
Its not a great trade for sure, he absolutely could have got more for Boeser. That being said both dudes are the same age. Myers cap is less than half for an extra year. It's not unrealistic to think that Boeser will stay an 86 while Myers could easily auto upgrade. The 1st is like buying a lottery ticket. Some people like to gamble and those picks typically don't come cheap. On top of all that Viper is a smart dude and a good GM. Clearly he has a plan. I get your argument kruze, but as lopsided as it looks at first, at the end of the day its not that bad. Especially if that pick pans out. Yes, but that's projections, not actual fact. Transversely, Boeser could upgrade & Myers might not... Both could stay the same... Both could upgrade. 🤷 Whether anyone thinks Perky is a smart guy or a good GM or not, is completely irrelevant.
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jan 3, 2021 20:33:55 GMT -5
To be fair, in my experience Boeser is not the best of simmers while Myers typically becomes a top 4 guy. Trade could look bad now but could look a lot in Avs favour in a couple of seasons.
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Jan 3, 2021 21:19:02 GMT -5
To be fair, in my experience Boeser is not the best of simmers while Myers typically becomes a top 4 guy. Trade could look bad now but could look a lot in Avs favour in a couple of seasons. To be fair, being on different teams with different chemistry can change that too. All you look at are what ifs, maybes and he coulds... 🤷 I can sit here and say that Boeser COULD end up ass 90+ player too... It still doesn't make it fact until it actually happens. Myers could just as easily shit the bed... But, again... That's not fact.
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Jan 3, 2021 22:04:01 GMT -5
This is true but you seem to dismissing the 1st pick completely. It has no value? A 1st isn't worth 5 OA points?
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Post by Seattle Kraken GM on Jan 3, 2021 22:10:00 GMT -5
This is true but you seem to dismissing the 1st pick completely. It has no value? A 1st isn't worth 5 OA points? Unless every single 1st at least a 75+, no... It's not worth 5 overall.
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Jan 3, 2021 22:32:57 GMT -5
This is true but you seem to dismissing the 1st pick completely. It has no value? A 1st isn't worth 5 OA points? Unless every single 1st at least a 75+, no... It's not worth 5 overall. You really don’t think a 72 overall 18 year old can become an 85 overall player?
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